1991(?) Grand Wagoneer in England

[Brynjminjones]

Hi Guys,

I thought I'd get myself registered on here now that I've finally got a Grand Waggy on its way to me.

I've had a '98 XJ since the day I passed my driving test, and got my girlfriend a '97 ZJ when she passed hers, but we've both always wanted a Grand Wagoneer.

We finally managed to get the funds together and found one that is exactly what we're looking for. Now I've just got to wait for it to be transported to England for me from Austria!

There is some confusion with it - it was registered in the Netherlands (where it lived since 2006) as a 1979, however everything about it would suggest it's a 1989-1991, and the colour (which very much seems original) would make it a 1991. Any help on this front would be appreciated!

It seems all original, with the 360 and 3-speed (727?). Everything seems to (just about) work, but I'm sure there'll be plenty of fiddling to do once it gets here.
It runs on LPG with the tank replacing the spare tire, so hopefully it should be at least remotely feasible to run over here in the land of expensive fuel!

Anyway, here are some pictures (plus the XJ and ZJ in case anybody is interested):

[airstreamer]

Hi Brynjminjones,

great colour :-)
Think the towbar is not an original one but some European homologated one ?
Any Info what the tow rating of this Wagoneer was on Austria ?

Best regards from Germany
Armin

[Brynjminjones]

Thanks Armin, would I be right in saying that this is Hunter Green?
I was checking your Waggy out yesterday which looks lovely.

From memory, I think the tow bar is a Westfalia one, so you're right that it must be an EU one. Apparently the previous owner used it to tow his classic race cars all over Europe until he unfortunately had a stroke and couldn't drive it anymore.

It was registered in the Netherlands until recently, but I don't know what the tow rating was. I will try to find out more once it arrives to me in the UK!

P.S. I'm feeling stupid now that I realise I've made a typo in my username (supposed to be Brynjaminjones)!

Bryn.

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

Was is the VIN?

[mattmopar440]

Was is the VIN?

what is the VIN ?

Finally I got one over jHon

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

What is the VIN?

Finally, I got one over Jon.

lol
I was typing on my phone.

PS, you forgot a comma.

[Brynjminjones]

Was is the VIN?

That's where it's a little bit weird - the VIN checks out as being a 1979 Wagoneer Custom, which would suggest to me that it's been changed at some point. I'm not sure on the reason for this - my guess would be something to do with tax.

When it gets here I'm going to look all over to see if I can find the VIN written anywhere else. The 1979 one is on the firewall and stamped on the frame in front of the passenger front wheel.

[mattmopar440]

well its not a 79 either vin changed or reading it wrong ???

[Brynjminjones]

Yeah, I think it must have been changed. I'm trying to find out where else on the Jeep I could find it.
I did find some numbers on the outside of the frame under the driver's seat, that looked like a date. From memory it was 10 27 90 (or something similar), with an A in there somewhere. Interestingly this was in a different font to the VIN stamping on the other side.

[mattmopar440]

probably a 1990 which would be correct for the grill and interior

[Brynjminjones]

What would be the difference between a 1990 and a '91? I was under the impression this was Hunter Green, which I thought was 1991 only.

Also, if that frame stamping is a date, am I right in thinking that would be in the right period for '91 model year production?

[rang-a-stang]

ARE THOSE YOUR FLAT FENDER JEEPS IN THE CARPORT?!?!?

Your Waggy is definitely good lookin but those flat fenders are distracting me.

Welcome to the group!

I have nothing for help on your determination on year. What impact does it have to you if it's a 91 vs. a 79? Is one year better for you than the other? If it looks like a 91, is the color you like, and is the Jeep you want, would it be a problem if it was labeled incorrectly?

[Brynjminjones]

Haha, not my car port!
The guy I've bought this off has some pretty impressive stuff for sale - see his website here:

http://cars.carcollectionwittner.at/catalog

The flatties belong to his neighbor who runs a Land Rover business.

As for the year, it doesn't really make a difference to me - this is my dream Jeep and I would have bought it no matter what the label said!
I'd just be interested to know its true history, and I'd like to know if it is a genuine hunter green '91 as they're so uncommon!

[joe]

Also, if that frame stamping is a date, am I right in thinking that would be in the right period for '91 model year production?

Don't know what Chrysler did regarding frame stampings but generally frame stamps are the serial number as in the last six digits of the VIN. If indeed the stamping is a build date yeah it would indicate a 91 model. Model year change over on the assembly line is in July so an Oct 90 build date would be a 91 model year.

[rang-a-stang]

Haha, not my car port!
The guy I've bought this off has some pretty impressive stuff for sale - see his website here:

http://cars.carcollectionwittner.at/catalog

The flatties belong to his neighbor who runs a Land Rover business.

As for the year, it doesn't really make a difference to me - this is my dream Jeep and I would have bought it no matter what the label said!
I'd just be interested to know its true history, and I'd like to know if it is a genuine hunter green '91 as they're so uncommon!

Got it. Well, 79 or 91, its a beaut! Goes well with your other Jeeps, too! we all love pictures so keep 'em coming! Welcome to the group!

ANy plans for your GWag? Just drive it, or are you going to be doing upgrades and such?